According to the bible God killed lots of people, obviously there was the flood and then the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, but other than those there were still tons of deaths at Gods hand, or his followers acting on his orders or will.
Here is a very hand cut out and keep list of Gods “lucky” victims.
The two numbers represent the number of people killed followed by a running total.
God drowns everyone on earth (except Noah and his family)
Genesis 7:23, BT
30,000,000
30,000,000
God rains fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone.
Gen.19:24, BT
1000
30,001,000
Lot's wife for looking back
Gen.19:26, BT
1
30,001,001
Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord"
Gen.38:7, 1 Chr.2:3, BT
1
30,001,002
Onan for spilling his seed
Gen.38:10, BT
1
30,001,003
7th Egyptian Plague: Hail
Exodus 9:25, BT
30,000
30,031,003
God kills every Egyptian firstborn child.
Ex.12:29-30, BT
500,000
30,531,003
God drowns Egyptian army
Ex.14:28, BT
1000
30,532,003
God and Moses help Joshua kill the Amalekites
Ex.17:13, BT
1000
30,533,003
For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf
Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT
3000
30,536,003
Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord
Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT
2
30,536,005
A blasphemer
Lev.24:10-23, BT
1
30,536,006
God burned to death an unknown number for complaining
Numbers 11:1, BT
100
30,536,106
God sent "a very great plague" for complaining about the food.
Num.11:33, BT
10,000
30,546,106
God killed those who murmured with a plague.
Num.14:35-36, BT
100
30,546,206
A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath
Num.15:32-36, BT
1
30,546,207
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families)
Num.16:27, BT
12+
30,546,219
Burned to death for offering incense
Num.16:35, 26:10, BT
250
30,546,469
For complaining
Num.16:49, BT
14,700
30,561,169
Massacre of the Aradites
Num.21:1-3, BT
3000
30,564,169
For complaining about the lack of food and water, God sent fiery serpents to bite the people, and many of them died.
Num.21:6, BT
100
30,564,269
God delivers the Bashanites into Moses' hands and Moses kills everyone "until there was none left alive."
Num.21:34-35, BT
1000
30,565,269
For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab"
Num.25:9, BT
24,000
30,589,269
Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive)
Num.31:1-35, BT
90,000+
30,679,269
The slaughter of the Anakim, the childen of Esau, and the Horim
Deuteronomy 2:21-22
5000
30,684,269
God hardened the king of Heshbon's heart so that the Israelites could massacre his people. (included several cities)
Dt.2:33-34, BT
3000
30,687,269
God delievered the king of Bashan so that the Israelites could massacre his people.
Dt.3:3-6
60,000
30,747,269
Massacre of Jericho
Joshua 6:21, BT
1000
30,748,269
God tells Joshua to stone to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing.
Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT
5+
30,748,274
God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone).
Joshua 8:1-25, BT
12,000
30,760,274
God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape.
Joshua 10:10-11, BT
1000
30,761,274
Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees
Joshua 10:24-26, BT
5
30,761,279
Massacre of 7 cities
Joshua 10:28-42, BT
7000
30,768,279
God delivers the Hazorites.
Joshua 11:8-12, BT
1000
30,769,279
Massacre of the Anakim
Joshua 11:20-21, BT
1000
30,770,279
God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites
Judges 1:4, BT
10,000
30,780,279
Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly
Jg.3:15-22, BT
1
30,780,280
God delivered Moabites
Jg.3:28-29, BT
10,000
30,790,280
Massacre of the Canaanites
Jg.4:15, BT
1000
30,791,280
God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other.
Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT
120,000
30,911,280
God delivered the Ammonites to Jephthah to slaughter.
Jg.11:32-33, BT
1000
30,912,280
The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson
Jg.14:19, BT
30
30,912,310
The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson
Jg.15:14-15, BT
1000
30,913,310
Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism
Jg.16:27-30, BT
3000
30,916,310
"The Lord smote Benjamin"
Jg.20:35-37, BT
25,100
30,941,410
More Benjamites
Jg.20:44-46
25,000
30,966,410
For looking into the ark of the Lord
1 Sam.6:19, BT
50,070
31,016,480
God delivered Philistines
1 Sam.14:12, BT
20
31,016,500
God forces the Philistine soldiers to kill each other.
1 Sam.14:20, BT
1000
31,017,500
God orders Saul to kill every Amalekite man, women, and child.
1 Sam.15:2-3, BT
1000
31,018,500
Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death
1 Sam.15:32-33, BT
1
31,018,501
God delivers the Philistines.
1 Sam.23:2-5
1000
31,019,501
"The Lord smote Nabal."
1 Sam.25:38
1
31,019,502
God delivers the Philistines to David (again).
2 Sam.5:19, 25
1000
31,020,502
Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling
2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10
1
31,020,503
David and Bathsheba's baby boy
2 Samuel 12:14-18
1
31,020,504
God sent a three-year famine because of something Saul did.
2 Sam.21:1
5000
31,025,504
Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord
2 Sam.21:6-9
7
31,025,511
From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children)
2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7
70,000+
31,095,511
A prophet for believing another prophet's lie
1 Kg.13:1-24
1
31,095,512
Baasha killed everyone in the house of Jeroboam "according to the saying of the Lord."
1 Kings 15:29
1000
31,096,512
Zimri killed everyone in the house of Baasha "according to the word of the Lord."
1 Kg.16:11-12
1000
31,097,512
Religious leaders killed in a prayer contest
1 Kg.18:22-40
450
31,097,962
God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands
1 Kg.20:28-29
100,000
31,197,962
God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers
1 Kg.20:30
27,000
31,224,962
God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet
1 Kg.20:35-36
1
31,224,963
Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god.
2 Kings 1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9
1
31,224,964
Burned to death by God
2 Kg.1:9-12
102
31,225,066
God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head
2 Kg.2:23-24
42
31,225,108
Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah
2 Kg.7:17-20
1
31,225,109
God calls for a seven year famine.
2 Kg.8:1
10,000
31,235,109
Jezebel
2 Kg.9:33-37
1
31,235,110
Jehu killed "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria ... according to the saying of the Lord"
2 Kg.10:16-17
100
31,235,210
God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners
2 Kg.17:25-26
3+
31,235,213
Sleeping Assyrian soldiers
2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36
185,000
31,420,213
Saul
1 Chronicles 10:14
1
31,420,214
God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah
2 Chronicles 13:15-17
500,000
31,920,214
Jeroboam
2 Chr.13:20
1
31,920,215
"The Lord smote the Ethiopians."
2 Chr.14:9-14
1,000,000
32,920,215
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out
2 Chr.21:14-19
1
32,920,216
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out
2 Chr.28:6
120,000
33,040,216
God delivered the Israelites into the hand of the Chaldeans.
2 Chr.36:16-17
1000
33,041,216
Ezekiel's wife
Ezekiel 24:15-18
1
33,041,217
Ananias and Sapphira
Acts 5:1-10
2
33,041,219
Herod
Acts 12:23, BT
1
33,041,220
So that is an estimated 33,041,220 people killed at God whim and fancy.
Some of the deaths were for just plain crazy and petty.
God Smote Onan for have a wank, which means I should have died around about 1982!
3000 people killed for having a dance, so again everyone that ever went to a disco would now be pushing up daisies.
Some random guy for picking up a few stick on the Sabbath, yeah, smite the anti-litter campaigners.
42 children ripped to death by two bears for the heinous crime and sin of making fun of an old mans bald head. Wouldn’t it have been easier to re-grow the mans hair?
God sent some Lions to kill a few foreigners for not knowing of God, so I guess that taught them.
And so on and so on through out the bible, God dispenses his “love and benevolence” with gusto.
So what about Satan, surely he has a body count that would make God look like an amateur? After all he is the embodiment of all that is evil and wicked in the world. Ok, so here it is, Satan’s body count according to the bible.
Er…10.
That’s it, just 10. And he did those with Gods blessing so he is only partly to blame.
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job ... And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters....And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD ... put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD....And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house...And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. -- Job 1:1-19
So what is all the fuss about Satan then, if you discount the sons and daughters of Job, who died because God wanted to test Job, Satan has not actually killed a single person.
So why is he considered so evil when compared to Gods 33,041,220 kills?
Well it seems the answer is because can only act out of love and thus all the death were not done malevolently but for the greater good of mankind and the lords kingdom.
So that’s alright then.
Apparently Satan just tempting people is far worse than God killing over 33 million people, as I was recently told in a debate regarding who was the most evil out of God and Satan. There were a lot of people defending Gods action because, well he was God and that was about it really, no further conversation was needed.
Or so they thought.
I happily pointed out that God created Satan, and as such Satan is only doing Gods bidding, tempting people against Gods ways just so then God could then punish them because the bible shows he likes that sort of stuff.
I pointed out the paradox in the riddle of Epicurus
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
Thus posing the problems that if Satan is an independent entity, then why doesn’t God get rid of him.
If he can’t get rid of him, then surely Satan must be stronger than God.
If he can get rid of him, but chooses not to, then surely God must approve of Satan and his ways.
Of course, as it always does, this fell on deaf ears. Satan, like man, has free will, and as such God can only intervene after the event I was told.
But free will and an omnipotent and omniscient God are incompatible, one cancelling out the other I informed anyone who wished to listen.
That is when the fun really starts in debates with Christians.
Now don’t get me wrong, the people I was debating with are good honest people and I can truly say I would consider them friends and a pleasure to know (although I am not sure they would say the same about me), but it was obvious that they really wasn’t prepared for such a revelation and the answers they began to give got more and more bizarre.
Of course the obligatory reverence to Hitler not being evil if he did not have free will came my way, there fore by that logic (?) free will must exist.
Then I was told that free will exists as I can control my children if I wanted to, but because I don’t and choose to teach them and let them make their own decisions, this is proof of God doing the same to his “children”.
Apparently mass genocide to stop evil is ok, and we “all” praised the man that dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
I was also informed dropping bombs on innocent women and children make you a hero!
Then allegedly I was informed that it was Satan who carried out the inquisitions, not the Catholic Church, Satan was also responsible for the great flood, he is responsible for wars (even I assume all the ones fought in Gods name, such as the crusades).
It was mentioned that if life was predetermined, as in a omnipotent and omniscient God, the that would make God responsible for sin so there fore it was an impossible concept. But at the same time, this only made God more powerful some how.
I also learnt that God can “lessen his supremacy” or limit his own powers to include free will for man.
I was told God being omni-everything did not in anyway alter free will, although the next sentence suggested that God chose not to know what man was doing next, or put another way, he switched off his omniscient powers. It seemed to not register with my fellow debater that even if God had “Omniscience” for only a short while, then he would still be all knowing as the omniscience is “infinite”. In a glimpse God would see everything for all time.
That God only killed the 10-30 millions inhabitants of the world in the great flood to “teach mankind a lesson”. So, to them, it was completely justifiable that 10-30 million people needed to die just to give Noah and his family a warning, even though God had already chosen him because he was a good man. Overkill springs to mind.
All the deaths and killing by God or in Gods name were done for the future benefit of the human race, or so I was told, I was then also told that God could not see in to the future because man had free will.
God can only work in the realms of possibility, and seeing as the future did not exist, it was an impossibility, and thus not under Gods control. Obviously, I suppose, creating universes from nothing and humans from dust fall in the category of “possible”.
By the way, the same person who told me that God could only deal with possibles, also told me that God “spoke things into existence”, which apparently is not impossible!
I was treated to the claim that God was “inherently omniscient” or “partially infinite”, which again is another contradiction in terms as it translates to partially knowing infinitely everything only part of the time.
Once the “inherent omniscience” failed, I was treated to the equally meaningless “Compatablism” which is nothing more than a made up meaningless word for a made up meaningless theory based on nothing more than opinion, speculation, fantastic leaps of logic and 99.9% assumption.
The same person then went on to tell me that life in not unlike a giant “choose your own adventure” book where God knows all the outcomes and the paths you will choose. God knows what path we will before we choose them.
I need to point out at this juncture that the person who told me this is the same one that told me in an earlier post that God couldn’t see into the future or predict our choices. There is consistency for you.
Next on the list was the alternative universe theory. Apparently every time we face a choice, or number of choices, God creates a set of parallel universes for us so we can actually take every choice at once, thus allowing free will, and this happens for every choice we makes, so every day God has to create billions of parallel universes just for me to cope with all the choices I, and my parallel counterparts, would make on a daily basis.
So in conclusion it seems that it is much easier to believe the most outlandish and bizarre explanation you can think of (no evidence or facts needed) on the spur of the moment, then change you stance completely several time during a debate, contradict yourself more than once, use nonsense words and phrases as supportive evidence and generally say anything at all rather than admit God is any way even the slightest bit evil or that via his omni-powers he is responsible for everything no matter how good or bad.
So now you know, God is only partially infinite, has semi-all knowing powers, can not do the impossible, can not see into the future, spend his time creating billions upon billion of parallel universes every millisecond of the day, knows every choice we will make before we make it, limits his own powers to give us free will, Satan carried out the inquisition, caused the flood, which God did to teach the eight remaining humans a lesson, mass genocide is ok for the right reasons, Nagasaki and Hiroshima were praiseworthy events performed by heroes, the less control God has over us, the more powerful that makes him, God can do the impossible and so on.
There, I hope that has cleared up any ambiguity you may have had regarding God and his power and motives.
Wednesday, June 18, 2008
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